Taylor Swift Calls Kanye West ‘Two-Faced’ & Dishes On Their Decade-Long Feud In ‘Rollin

Taylor Swift is taking no prisoners!

The 29-year-old is back on the cover of Rolling Stone and getting everything off her chest about where things stand with Kanye West, Scooter Braun, and Scott Borchetta.

First, ch-ch-check out her cover look (below):

First, the Lover artist finally explains the backstory behind the Famous Kanye West phone call, and goes more in depth about how things falling apart between them was actually a long time coming.

In case you need a refresher, Taylor’s rep at the time stated she had not spoken with ‘Ye about the lyric “I made that bitch famous,” but Kim Kardashian West‘s later video release to Snapchat proved the artist had heard some of the song.

Joe Alwyn‘s lover explains in her new interview how her infamous LWYMMD line “the old Taylor can’t come to the phone right now. Why? Because she’s dead!” came from her and Jack Antonoff wanting “to play on the idea of a phone call—because that’s how all of this started, a stupid phone call I shouldn’t have picked up.”

The 10-time Grammy winner says there’s actually more to this than meets the eye, explaining:

“The world didn’t understand the context and the events that led up to it. Because nothing ever just happens like that without some lead-up. Some events took place to cause me to be pissed off when he called me a bitch. That was not just a singular event. Basically, I got really sick of the dynamic between he and I. And that wasn’t just based on what happened on that phone call and with that song — it was kind of a chain reaction of things.”

She continued (below):

“I started to feel like we reconnected, which felt great for me — because all I ever wanted my whole career after that thing happened in 2009 was for him to respect me. When someone doesn’t respect you so loudly and says you literally don’t deserve to be here — I just so badly wanted that respect from him, and I hate that about myself, that I was like, ‘This guy who’s antagonizing me, I just want his approval.’ But that’s where I was. And so we’d go to dinner and stuff. And I was so happy, because he would say really nice things about my music. It just felt like I was healing some childhood rejection or something from when I was 19. But the 2015 VMAs come around. He’s getting the Vanguard Award. He called me up beforehand — I didn’t illegally record it, so I can’t play it for you. But he called me up, maybe a week or so before the event, and we had maybe over an hourlong conversation, and he’s like, ‘I really, really would like for you to present this Vanguard Award to me, this would mean so much to me,’ and went into all the reasons why it means so much, because he can be so sweet. He can be the sweetest. And I was so stoked that he asked me that.”

So what really happened at the 2015 VMAs? She spilled:

“And so I wrote this speech up, and then we get to the VMAs and I make this speech and he screams, ‘MTV got Taylor Swift up here to present me this award for ratings!’ And I’m standing in the audience with my arm around his wife , and this chill ran through my body. I realized he is so two-faced. That he wants to be nice to me behind the scenes, but then he wants to look cool, get up in front of everyone and talk s**t. And I was so upset. He wanted me to come talk to him after the event in his dressing room. I wouldn’t go. So then he sent this big, big thing of flowers the next day to apologize. And I was like, ‘You know what? I really don’t want us to be on bad terms again. So whatever, I’m just going to move past this.’ So when he gets on the phone with me, and I was so touched that he would be respectful and, like, tell me about this one line in the song.”

However, it was once she heard the full song she realized the two would likely never be on good terms again:

“And I was like, ‘OK, good. We’re back on good terms.’ And then when I heard the song, I was like, ‘I’m done with this. If you want to be on bad terms, let’s be on bad terms, but just be real about it.’ And then he literally did the same thing to Drake. He gravely affected the trajectory of Drake’s family and their lives. It’s the same thing. Getting close to you, earning your trust, detonating you. I really don’t want to talk about it anymore because I get worked up, and I don’t want to just talk about negative s**t all day, but it’s the same thing. Go watch Drake talk about what happened.”

In the time after all of this went down with Mr. West, she went on tour for her album Reputation, which was the most “transformative emotional experience of my career,” putting her in the “healthiest, most balanced place.” Since that era, the artist explains that when bad things happen, like the Scooter Braun drama of earlier this summer, “it doesn’t level me anymore.”

She elaborated (below):

“The stuff that happened a couple of months ago with Scott would have leveled me three years ago and silenced me. I would have been too afraid to speak up. Something about that tour made me disengage from some part of public perception I used to hang my entire identity on, which I now know is incredibly unhealthy.”

Though she’s able to handle things from a better headspace, it didn’t mean the Big Machines Records acquisition by Braun wasn’t still incredibly painful:

“A lot of the best things I ever did creatively were things that I had to really fight — and I mean aggressively fight — to have happen. But, you know, I’m not like him, making crazy, petty accusations about the past. . . . When you have a business relationship with someone for 15 years, there are going to be a lot of ups and a lot of downs. But I truly, legitimately thought he looked at me as the daughter he never had. And so even though we had a lot of really bad times and creative differences, I was going to hang my hat on the good stuff. I wanted to be friends with him. I thought I knew what betrayal felt like, but this stuff that happened with him was a redefinition of betrayal for me, just because it felt like it was family. To go from feeling like you’re being looked at as a daughter to this grotesque feeling of ‘Oh, I was actually his prized calf that he was fattening up to sell to the slaughterhouse that would pay the most.’”

In an open letter posted to the company’s website, Borchetta included a low-key attack on Miz Swift about apparently declining Braun’s offer to have her participate in the One Love Manchester benefit concert following the attack at Ariana Grande‘s concert, as well as her turning down the opportunity presented by Scooter to have her participate in March For Our Lives following the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Taylor explains her reaction to what Borchetta had to say, and about the deal overall:

“Unbelievable. Here’s the thing: Everyone in my team knew if Scooter Braun brings us something, do not bring it to me. The fact that those two are in business together after the things he said about Scooter Braun — it’s really hard to shock me. And this was utterly shocking. These are two very rich, very powerful men, using $300 million of other people’s money to purchase, like, the most feminine body of work. And then they’re standing in a wood-panel bar doing a tacky photo shoot, raising a glass of scotch to themselves. Because they pulled one over on me and got this done so sneakily that I didn’t even see it coming. And I couldn’t say anything about it.”

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